I swear if I see one more fucking lib freak out about tiktok "it's owned by the chinese!" bullshit I'm going to explode
not only is it owned by *a chinese company*, not "the chinese", but ahh yes, hate to be spied on by the chinese state! far better to be spied on by the US state which has actual power over my life
@SeanAloysiusOBrien i like having the companies who spy on me be spread out so i can always keep them guessing
@SeanAloysiusOBrien friendly reminder that
1. pretty much every company in the prc is beholden to the state govt directly or indirectly - you could never, ever pull what apple did with the fbi in any court
2. some people have family and friends in china and they can and do scrape all sorts of data to decide who to un-perons or at least deny a passport, deny a job, deny an education licence, charge with a crime, etc. etc. etc.
I mean maybe there are some niche cases still seems overall sfaer than an american company having your data
okay, imagine everything bad people have said about israel, now get rid of the blatantly anti-semitic ones, then add actual holocaust camps
now imagine a country that's basically that, except netanyahu has near-absolute power and an even more fragile ego and is absolutely bugfuck terrified of being harmed in any conceivable way
now imagine that country having jurisdiction over more than 1 billion people with a huge global disapora
you're right this is an imaginary scenario
because in every material sense if you live in the US you are much more likely to be harmed by the American state than the chinese state
@SeanAloysiusOBrien "in every material sense if you live in the US you are much more likely to be harmed by the American state than the chinese state" i certainly won't deny that, but something bothered me about this
it's the fact that they're two separate things and getting fucked one way is still less worse than getting fucked two ways
your original reasoning was, at least as presented in that order, just a big tu quoque redirecting hatred back to the usa (which fwiw i have no love for)
@Amber i'd try to rebut this but there is no actual substance to rebut, congratulations you've won
@SeanAloysiusOBrien They're not mutually exclusive.
It's pretty safe to assume that any software put out by a chinese company has chinese spyware in it.
Software from American companies only *probably* has spyware in it.
the software is inherently spyware because the FBI can just ask for people's information without a warrant and most tech companies will hand it over
and this is without getting into the NSA's program connected to parts of the internet "backbone"
@SeanAloysiusOBrien That still misses my point. The strawman you've knocked down is that people complaining about chinese spyware don't care about american spyware. That's a false dichotomy.
I'm saying that people are being racist and most of this has very little to do with any real threat the chinese government poses to them
@SeanAloysiusOBrien The growing Chinese middle class is taking their newfound wealth and using it to speculate on housing markets in other countries, hoarding property, and driving up the cost of housing. This is a fact. Is this also racist?
wait isn't hackers.town the cop instance lol
@SeanAloysiusOBrien Nice deflection. Glad we could have this reasoned discussion.
@SeanAloysiusOBrien I know people who unironically see it this way.
Yeah, they're libs.
@SeanAloysiusOBrien I mean to be fair, most chinese companies are in the pocket of the state, and bytedance is no different, but
would I rather be spied on by the Chinese who squints want to sell me something
or the US who want to rig elections, and possibly add me to a registry of trans individuals
yeah I have no illusions as to barriers between state power and these companies on either side it's just frustrating that the logic is only applied to Official US enemies instead of "oh but did you know that's owned by the Americans!??"
@SeanAloysiusOBrien fr tho american xenophobia never ceases to amaze
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