and honestly even a lot of nerds don’t exactly understand why concentrations of power are a bad thing
my guess would be informative media and stuff, like easy to digest videos pods comics and blogs go a long way to improve literacy, although my only hope is that they’re tastefully done lol
@chosafine alas, my experience of nerd/tech culture from 1980s high school in England to the 2 years I was at Uni) was 90% of nerds/techs actively *wanted* concentrations of power, as long as they became *part of them*, and this indeeed happened in Europe. Several countries recently had (UK) or currently have (NL,FR,AT) Gen X/Y leaders.
OTOH I was never bullied at high school, in contrast I had friends from literally every subculture, maybe these formative experiences are *very* important ?
@chosafine it does seem attitudes are changing in high school (in UK and US) but when British kids are interviewed they say "I want to be a startup entrepreneur developing a mobile phone app and make money like Americans" or "I want to be a social media influencer" rather than building things for communities (not even traditional careers like nursing or working for the electric or telecoms utility, there are jobs unfilled in these fields even with the companies recruiting..)
@amphetamine @chosafine there are a few Brits who are currently doing well from being "youtube stars" but I'm unsure how long this phenomenon is going to last, especially as Google keep changing their rules and "edgy" content is ultimately going to either result in regulation by Ofcom or some other body (and google randomly removing ads like they always seem to do).
Its certainly *not* a long term career, any more than normal telly was for most "yoof TV" stars of my era..
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@amphetamine @chosafine I was reading recently about some USA lass and her friend who are both "social media influencers" but still have to work in Starbucks and other such cursed places to afford to be able to survive (they would probably make more working on a tech support helpdesk but ofc thats not as "cool", and the article mentioned these youths are having all the pressures of fame but rarely any of the benefits (not even the money)
@squeakypancakes @chosafine The "normies" in all honesty don't and won't care. They don't about almost every other facet of infrastructure. It seems to me that the most successful OSS projects have three keystones. One, price; two, convenience and three, a big-ass marketing budget.
The first two, we can eventually achieve, but I can't see the open-source community contributing to a marketing fund. We just expect and/or demand people to care and I don't see success in that.
There is hope, if the cost (literal or metaphorical) of using the centralised service is high enough to drive its content makers away.
Meetup.com's content makers (the organisers) pay a heavy fee for using it, almost $200 a year for a very simple webpage. If they moved to a decentralised alternative because it was cheap/free, the events would move and then so would the end users.
There are some doing this, e.g. https://masto.host
YouTube's an interesting example.
On the one hand it has unlimited resources, but on the other YT/Google is its own worst enemy.
They treat their content makers like dirt, switching algos without warning (which has ruined many pro YouTubers financially), tricking viewers into signing up to G+, not responding to mistakes etc.
Their weird behaviour towards Blender and others gave PeerTube a huge boost, PT crowdfunding shot up massively afterwards.
@switchingsocial @ChrisWere @chosafine I'm not saying there isn't a reason to use peertube but you would need to convince content creators that giving up all their ad revenue. For smaller channels that might not be anything at this point but the larger channels that make 6 figures or more a year off ads prolly wont move.
If they were making 6 figures consistently then no they wouldn't leave. But YT's algo has changed so often without warning, sometimes reducing income overnight by over 90% 😱
PeerTube has a lot of potential partly because it gives content creators complete control, over content and monetisation.
Google is too opaque, too unstable, for too many years.
That Google Plus thing alone alienated a lot of major YTers:
@ChrisWere @switchingsocial @chosafine For most people the only video platform is youtube as it comes installed on their phones. Most people don't install alternatives they just use what is default or they know about it.
The only thing I can think of right now is the need for a video equivalent of switter. Maybe if Blender is a repeat incident or something. People will push for peertube more.
@ChrisWere I always thought that youtubers with similar interests should get together and create small networks of self-curated content paid for by ads, pretty much like TV channels. PeerTube makes this easy and cheap.
Problem is how to get them together. Also the fact that they would have to become entrepreneurs as well as content creators, and most don't want that.
But if a couple of instances like those were created, a lot more would follow.
@switchingsocial @Levenfort @chosafine @squeakypancakes The money that comes through on Patreon is a tiny fraction of YT ad revenue. There may be exceptions, but to those of us who don't want to pay-wall our content, it's not a reliable option.
Even people who pledge are first to unpledge to the non-pay-wall content creators once the cash gets tight.
The main problem with a Meetup alternative is discoverability for non-technical users.
I still keep a Meetup account up to this day because it help us connect to the occasional new friend.
I'd never have met @Avalon without it, for example.
I really want to see an alternative like gettogether happen. I am just unsure how to crack that discoverability issue.
I guess it's a chicken and egg thing.
But maybe sometimes unexpected events happen (scandals, technical problems, price rises) which suddenly shakes things up, and make people look around for alternatives. If that happens, it's good to have them ready and waiting.
The better the alternative is when people give it a chance, the greater the likelihood people stick with it.