@emsenn @grainloom I know it’s easy to meme about Chromebooks being worse, but if all you need is a web browser, they are far superior to any netbook. Chromebooks basically “just work”, always stay updated, and can be remotely tracked/monitored/updated from a control panel.
Of course... google... but they managed to not make a worse product for once.
@njha My chromebook has half the battery life of the eeepc i bought in 2012, less storage, less ram, no external storage slots, only one wifi chipset, and weighs more.
Software innovation was happening in the market regardless, ChromeOS made innovation faster by using more limited hardware but those small software innovations hardly seem worth the hardware sacrifices.
Let me act as a school for a second
- it’s good enough
- Google gives schools infinite google drive storage
- don’t care about ram
- don’t care about storage
- why would a school need multiple wifi chipsets?
- weighs more is basically irrelevant (+- 1lb)
I’m going to equate this to Nintendo vs everyone else for game consoles. Sure the xbox/ps4/pc is technically superior, but the games on nintendo consoles are fun.
The task - hardware webbrowser - is not the task schools were setting out to solve with iPads. The tail wagged the dog and now we have students who can't really even lay out a report on their laptop without it stuttering. That's better for no one.
Your points boil down to "yay cheap crap!" and sure, yay, w/e.
The systems you’re describing don’t exist (for the right price at least) and as such schools *cant* use them. They *should* yes, but right now it’s impossible.
@njha I'm on the same page now - and agree. But I blame schools for causing those systems to not exist, by promising to buy the product of whoever provided it first... and then buying Google's product even though it only checked like, 2 of the dozen requirements they had.
And that switch was directly because of appointees in the federal government that encouraged the adoption - i forget names offhand, obama's second ed secretary? @grainloom
1) cool so you took a corporate bribe
2) so you don't want students to be able to dabble in any sort of editing. keep them in their lane, get them to be good drones. great.
3) see above
4) meshnetting, so they don't have to maintain expensive wifi coverage, easier in-class sharing with lower dropout and latency.
5) lawsuits against elementary schools for overweighted backpacks different.
That said, there’s no way that a bunch of people being paid ~$not much (teachers) will be technically trained enough to work with any sort of meshnet system (no such existing system is easy to use).
Sure if someone made a cool laptop with a meshnet system, was fast, cheap enough for schools to afford, lightweight, durable, doesn’t have technical glitches (ever)..
@njha Gotcha - I was reading it as advocacy that chromebook shoudl've won, not just explaining how it happened. Again, my bad.
The meshnet stuff isn't really tricky, the school sets it up when they set up the other wifi stuff (do you know how complex university wifi systems are? it's nuts.)
Why not buy something laptop-y based on an SoC like the Raspberry Pi?
And as I said, infinite storage is purely unnecessary.
I don't care about hardware features, as long as it can run Firefox it's more than strong enough. Weight is irrelevant to me as well.
Software is what counts. If the platform makes it difficult to use proper software, it's a shitty platform. If schools don't see it, they are bad schools.
(estimated total number of students+faculty in my state's university system, who share the same internal infrastructure (which is browser-accessible these days))
@grainloom frankly with the population boom and requirement for interoperability there's just no way it would scale - what we "should" have done is the department of defense should've come up with a whole system for laptops for training troops, and then the department of education commissioned asus or someone to make versions for schoolkids. That's (basically) how we used to do it, with textbooks and calculators and shit. @njha
I wholeheartedly agree that we should have oss tools, but no one has made an all in one package (that technically illiterate people, like most teachers) can use EXCEPT Google.
Heck, my school even pays for instructure canvas (selfhosted, no tracking) but teachers choose to use Google Classroom instead because it’s prettier.
@njha @emsenn It's really not though, each school already has a sysadmin. On the first few IT classes we learned the basics of PuTTY and we could use it from then on. If you can upload download and browse files, you are set. You could also just make a SAMBA share. None of those are substantially harder to use for students.
@grainloom @njha "each school already has a sysadmin" hahahahahahha mate my high school's sysadmin was our librarian who's resume from 2003 claimed 25 years of linux experience, and i went to the nicest school in my district. You're really overestimating the training of lower-level people.
If you wanna fix that problem, sure, but otherwise the current tech just ain't suited.
@emsenn @njha Or at the very least, we should not treat this as a tech problem alone. The monopolies probably love to have us spend our time making alternatives, preferably open source ones that they can then use for their own benefit. But IMHO meaningful change can only happen if the culture around tech changes.
@grainloom @njha I hope y'all don't mind me bumping this thread, but I just saw this post from a friend on another platform. She's a teacher in a relatively well-funded part of not-anymore-rural Canada.
I'm not presenting this with any commentary, but just, since y'all have an interst in this topic, might appreciate seeing this.
@emsenn that sounds about right (am a student)
The charge problem was solved for us by buying these really big carts that charge chromebooks (students just put them in and the whole thing gets connected to the wall). One student just grabs the cart at the start of class.
We are a bit more fortunate now though, in that we have 1:1 students:chromebooks, so people are allowed to take them home too.
I still haven’t seen a use for them other than typing essays though.
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