an appeal to the fediverse regarding anti-abuse 

an appeal to the fediverse regarding anti-abuse 

an appeal to the fediverse regarding anti-abuse 

an appeal to the fediverse regarding anti-abuse 

@emsenn @wilkie @cwebber Please elaborate on the autonomy of moderation point. What do you mean by that?

@Gargron If I understand it right - which I very well might not:

Current discussions of OCAP provide the tools to instance moderators, but don't provide similar tooling for users.

Right now, as I understand it, users can do most of the moderation action moderators can, relative to their own profile: they can autonomously moderate their profile even if their instance doesn't do moderation.

(Again, I could be wrong in understanding how things are or could be.)
@wilkie @cwebber

@emsenn @wilkie @cwebber I don't think that's quite right. Now, I don't know which "some of the solutions" Chris is talking about, because I'm aware of what I'm proposing (authorized fetch, same mechanism as already used for inbox deliveries) and what kaniini is proposing (OCAP), and I am under the impression that Chris's solution is OCAP too. But neither of those would affect any existing self-moderation mechanisms.

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@Gargron I didn't think current moderation tools would be changed. As I understand it, kaninii's OCAP is focused on interinstance moderation, not a user moderating their own profile with it. That's my concern: that I will be reliant on my instance admin to handle any abuse that needs to be addressed with OCAP. As I understand it, Chris' solution is OCAP as well, but more generalized so can be an inter-user tool just as easily. (Again, I could be wrong about all this.) @wilkie @cwebber

@emsenn @gargron @wilkie The ways @kaniini and I have currently proposed using ocap stuff are a bit different, though they have overlap. I think it'll be clearer how they can converge once I put it out though.

Poor @cwebber announces he's dropping everything to work on a thing and by nature of doing so gets a bunch of folk beeping to ask about the thing he hasn't finished working on. Bless instant global communication. @Gargron @wilkie @kaniini

@cwebber @emsenn @Gargron @wilkie
The pattern @kaniini published as "Lice" some time back addresses instance moderation only. They've hinted that subsequent work is vastly better and that code, if enabled, would break federation with Mastodon

There's a broad range of philosophies on the fedi largely centered on personal autonomy, especially wrt labor. This is a good time to be mindful of that common bond

@cwebber @emsenn @Gargron @wilkie @kaniini Yeah I will be really interested to see where y'all land. I'll get it integrated into go-fed. The last time kaniini and I were able to have a solid chat was exactly about this OCAP kind of stuff and the differences between proposals.

@cj @cwebber @emsenn @Gargron @wilkie @kaniini

Maybe somebody or two could get a proof of concept or two deployed where other people can test them?

@bhaugen
Thanks. In a few months I'll have a good base for testing, but I do have to finish the damn thing. If my day wasn't already shot by a virus, I wouldn't be near this conversation

The lack of communication has been frustrating, but I understand enough for now and I'm behind on my own work
@cj @cwebber @emsenn @Gargron @wilkie @kaniini

@yaaps @wilkie @Gargron @emsenn @cwebber @cj @bhaugen

hehe I'm mostly in a holding pattern right now waiting on cwebber to bring it all together. but we are close!

@emsenn @wilkie @cwebber OCAP as well as authorized fetch are primarily about how to allow/disallow another server to retrieve public data from yours, specifically in the case of domain blocks.

Personal blocks, mutes, filters and the rest operate on a logically higher level than that.

@Gargron Ahh so OCAP is not used to forbid/permit an individual but a domain? I had thought that was dependent on implementation, not an intrinsic quality of the feature.

I think it's clear the one thing I was right on is that I don't know what I'm talking about. :D
@wilkie @cwebber

@emsenn @gargron @wilkie ocap on its own has nothing to do with domain-level authority decisions, that's a specific suggestion of how to do something semi-ocap'y for that purpose

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