an appeal to the fediverse regarding anti-abuse 

an appeal to the fediverse regarding anti-abuse 

an appeal to the fediverse regarding anti-abuse 

an appeal to the fediverse regarding anti-abuse 

@emsenn @wilkie @cwebber Please elaborate on the autonomy of moderation point. What do you mean by that?

@Gargron If I understand it right - which I very well might not:

Current discussions of OCAP provide the tools to instance moderators, but don't provide similar tooling for users.

Right now, as I understand it, users can do most of the moderation action moderators can, relative to their own profile: they can autonomously moderate their profile even if their instance doesn't do moderation.

(Again, I could be wrong in understanding how things are or could be.)
@wilkie @cwebber

@emsenn @wilkie @cwebber I don't think that's quite right. Now, I don't know which "some of the solutions" Chris is talking about, because I'm aware of what I'm proposing (authorized fetch, same mechanism as already used for inbox deliveries) and what kaniini is proposing (OCAP), and I am under the impression that Chris's solution is OCAP too. But neither of those would affect any existing self-moderation mechanisms.

@Gargron I didn't think current moderation tools would be changed. As I understand it, kaninii's OCAP is focused on interinstance moderation, not a user moderating their own profile with it. That's my concern: that I will be reliant on my instance admin to handle any abuse that needs to be addressed with OCAP. As I understand it, Chris' solution is OCAP as well, but more generalized so can be an inter-user tool just as easily. (Again, I could be wrong about all this.) @wilkie @cwebber

@emsenn @wilkie @cwebber OCAP as well as authorized fetch are primarily about how to allow/disallow another server to retrieve public data from yours, specifically in the case of domain blocks.

Personal blocks, mutes, filters and the rest operate on a logically higher level than that.

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@Gargron Ahh so OCAP is not used to forbid/permit an individual but a domain? I had thought that was dependent on implementation, not an intrinsic quality of the feature.

I think it's clear the one thing I was right on is that I don't know what I'm talking about. :D
@wilkie @cwebber

@emsenn @gargron @wilkie ocap on its own has nothing to do with domain-level authority decisions, that's a specific suggestion of how to do something semi-ocap'y for that purpose

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