What responsibility do we have, as communities, as individuals, to dispel toxic fantasies that attach to us? How much responsibility do we have for how we are perceived?

@MoMartin Oh I viewed these as very different questions and now go hmmm.

@MoMartin do you mean like - not to de-abstract it but like...


can you try saying it again with more words?

@emsenn Yes! In particular I was thinking about the fantasy of the rural in the USA is a racist fantasy. Like, we define it in opposition to the City's ethnic and racial diversity, we think of it as "getting away from it all" with "it" being city life and city life being defined by other people. In a way, the fantasy of rural living erases people. So my question is, how much is that the responsibility of the real people who live in rural settings, who are often not white or racist?

@MoMartin @emsenn
In some ways, I think that's two different questions. Agreed, it's sometimes not the people who live in rural areas. However, there are many people in rural areas who are racist (amongst other things). Rural life isn't (IMO) in opposition to city life. Rural communities face the exact same challenges as cities, all of which are forced upon us by the institutionalization of capitalism.

Is it the responsibility of those who live in cities and idealize "it" (as you define it) to break that down?

I also question the definition of cities as being strictly about race, ethnicity, and other people. I think that oversimplifies and flattens it. Yes, the fetishization of rural life can be and is used as a tool to erase people. Though, I think that is due to capitalism.

@MoMartin @emsenn
As a white man that lives in the rural US (2.5m/4km outside a town of 600 people), I do feel it my responsibility to fight capitalism, racism, and all bigotry in my community. In particular with white/cis/het people in my community.

As a friend reminds me of regularly (I don't put it as eloquently as he) and I was reminded of in a podcast last night; I must continue to stand in solidarity and in the fight with those oppressed and without a voice in rural communities (mine and elsewhere) and ensure their voices are the ones heard, not mine.

To your point though, I also think people in rural communities also fetishize and glorify city life. Whether that's buying the newest phone or shoes, or listening to certain music, or seeing certain movies. The list goes on.

In both rural and urban communities there is racism & other bigotry, poverty, unemployment, lack of housing, food deserts and more.

Capitalism perpetuates this all.

@redandgreen @MoMartin

Gonna take a new position and say: urban life and rural life are the same thing these days and most rural communities are just really spread out tiny cities, in how they function.

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